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Invited commentary, presented at the

Mountain-Plains Philosophy Conference,

Jeffrey Grupp, 2003

September 25, 2003, University of Wyoming 

 

A much more developed version of this conference comment paper has been accepted for publication at Disputatio: International Journal of Philosophy, and the title of the more developed version of the comment paper is

"The Impossibility of Temporal Relations Between Non-Identical Times: New Arguments for Presentism".

Copyright, Jeffrey Grupp, http://www.AbstractAtom.com

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David’s Schenk’s “New Referential Version of the Date Theory of Time”

Jeffrey Grupp, Western Michigan University

1. Introduction

            In this commentary I express two complaints about David Schenk’s interesting causal origins theory of time, the first of which is a complaint about the use of possible worlds in his theory, and the second a complaint about the use of relations in his theory.

2. Some Questions about Schenk’s Possible Worlds

            Schenk apparently considers transworld identity important since he wants to establish identical timelines so as to define the transworld identity of times in other ways than as identities of sets of events. I find Schenk’s theory untenable, since in doing this, Schenk tells us that a possible world, W1, has a causal origin. But a possible world is an abstract object, and cannot have a causal origin. While perhaps causes could exist within W1, that W1 in fact has a cause is untenable since, being a possible world, W1 is either actual or non-actual, and if it is actual it is not caused to be actual, because all causes exist within that possible world. What does make sense is to talk about a cause of an event or events within a universe.

3. Some Questions about the Relations in Schenk’s Causal Origins Theory of Time.

Schenk outlines an interesting new theory of time that is a non-presentist, relationalist theory of time. If it happened to be the case that non-simultaneous temporal relations did not exist, Schenk’s theory would be incorrect, and instead only presentist theories of time—which Schenk’s theory is not—would be correct.

I will argue that the specific problem with non-simultaneous (non-presentist) relations between times in that they are relations that are themselves neither temporally located (T) nor temporally unlocated (~T), and for that reason, non-simultaneous interrelatedness between times is apparently contradictory ~(T v ~T)..

In making this point, I will first argue that, contra Quentin Smith’s Language and Time, relations between non-simultaneous times, such as the relations, earlier than, later than, or 10 seconds apart, are relations that do not themselves exist in time (T); rather, they are timeless relations. To show this, I will consider the thesis that there are temporally located non-simultaneous relations between times; but in considering them, I will come to fatal problems with them. Then I will consider the thesis that there are only timeless relations between non-simultaneous times, also coming to fatal problems with them. First, in discussing temporal relations, as not located outside of time, I will discuss 10 seconds apart as a noncomplex temporally located relation and then as a complex temporally located relation, coming to fatal problems with both varieties. After this discussion, as I just said, I will them discuss relations between times as relations that are themselves not located in time.

 

 

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Consider any times t1 and t2 that are non-identical and related by a noncomplex temporal relation that is itself located in time. Any temporally located noncomplex relation between non-identical times has a nonzero temporal size: in being a temporally located connection between t1 and t2, the connecting of t1 and t2 by a non-complex relation implies that the relation occupies an unbroken extent, lest there be a disconnection at some point between t1 and t2. Such noncomplex, partless, temporally located relations of nonzero size occupy at least two non-identical times, t1 and t2. If noncomplex, temporally located relations non-collocated times occupy at least two times, then the relations between are apparently contradictory, for the following reasons.

If a temporally located relation is partless, noncomplex, and fundamental, it is a single object. If it has a property (second-order property), then the entirety of the noncomplex temporal relation has the property since it is a single entity and cannot be considered in terms of parts. But this is problematic since, for example, the entire noncomplex temporal relation would have the properties, located at t1, and located at t2, where located at t2 means that the noncomplex temporal relation at t2 has the property (second-order property), not located at t1. (The relation has this property at t2, and at any other temporal location that is not t1, such as if the noncomplex temporal relation was temporally located at t3 or t4.) These are, however, properties the noncomplex temporal relation cannot have: since the relation is one, partless entity, if the relation is located at t1, and not located at t1, the relation would be describable as having contradictory properties, located at t1 and not located at t1. For this reason, I will move to discussion of the only sort of complex temporally located, complex relation between times not affected by the reasoning just given.

   Consider a relation, 10 seconds apart, between times, t1 and t2. If 10 seconds apart itself exists in time, 10 seconds apart could be considered in terms of continuum many sub-relations located at continuum many time-points[1] which constitute a temporally extended (compound, or complex[2]) relation, such as, 10 seconds apart. I next discuss that such simple, temporally located sub-relations between times cannot constitute a complex relation, 10 seconds apart, and cannot relate t1 and t2. If there are continuum many temporal sub-relations constituting the complex relation, 10 seconds apart, this leads to the conclusion that the following statement describing an infinite regress of sub-relations would be true: “t1 is related to the relation that is related to the relation that is related to the relation… t2”. This means, however, that t1 and t2 are not related, since there is no last step in this regress of sub-relations allegedly connecting t1 and t2, which renders t1 and t2 unrelated.[3]  Given this problem, any temporally located relation between times is to be discarded.

 

 

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A defender of Schenk’s theory could suggest the following objection to my accounts of non-presentist interrelating of times that I have given to this point. A non-simultaneous interrelation (10 seconds apart) connecting t1 and t2 exists only at the temporal locations of times t1 and t2, and not between them. On this scenario, a non-simultaneous interrelatedness of times would still be temporal, but temporally unextended, and located in a time series, since it is located where t1 and t2 are. I will next argue that this position is problematic, and such a description of interrelating is apparently contradictory, for the following reasons.

Being a time, t1 cannot fail to be at a temporal location, x. This implies that t1 only exemplifies n-adic properties (such as, exemplifying the relation, 10 seconds apart, or exemplifying the monadic property, being a time) at x and nowhere else, since t1 is nowhere else but at x. An exemplification not at x is an exemplification that does not have anything to do with t1. t2, being a time, also cannot fail to be at a temporal location, y, and this implies that t2 only participates in the co-exemplification n-adic properties while those exemplifications are at y and nowhere else, since t2 is nowhere else but at y. An exemplification of n-adic properties not at y is an exemplification that does not have to do with t2. This implies t1 and t2 could not be interrelated: if t1 exemplifies n-adic properties only at x, and if t2 exemplifies n-adic properties only at y, since x≠y, then t1 and t2 apparently cannot have any sort of dealings with one another (such as being interrelated by the exemplified relation, 10 seconds apart). It appears that in order that it can share an exemplified relation with t1, t2, which is wholly at y, must be wholly at x, and thus must apparently take on characteristics that are self-contradictory.

From what I can tell, the only option left for Schenk in describing the interrelating of times t1 and t2 in his relationalist causal theory of time is to object to the argumentation of the previous paragraphs by maintaining the position that the relation (10 seconds apart) is not at x and y, as was assume in the previous paragraph; the relation, 10 seconds apart, is a universal (platonic universal) exemplified by t1 and t2, not at x or y: the interrelating of times is not itself in the time series. On this scenario, t1 and t2 are interrelated since they both exemplify a timeless (temporally unlocated) relation, 10 seconds apart.

 

 

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The only way I understand that this could be the case is if the interrelation of times t1 and t2, is, in the platonic sense, nowhere and nowhen (non-temporal, in a timeless platonic realm).[4] I will argue that such a platonistic account of relations is a problematic account of the non-simultaneous interrelation of times.

The exemplification of the relation in this scenario is the platonistic “realm crossing” exemplification tie that connects the timeless platonistic realm (where the relation, 10 seconds apart, is) to the temporal realm (where times t1 and t2 are).

Before discussing a problem with platonistic realm crossing exemplification, I will discuss how I use the terms “exemplification tie” and “unmediated attachment”. There are two types of realm crossing between non-temporal platonistic entities and temporal entities: (i) a realm crossing exemplification tie between a property or relation, which is an intermediary between temporal entities (t1 and t2) and timeless platonistic entities (10 seconds apart); and (ii) a realm crossing unmediated attachment between temporal entities and platonistic non-temporal entities. Let “realm crossing exemplification tie” denote what is denoted by t “exemplifies” R, or t “has” the polyadic property, R. The realm crossing exemplification tie is the entity between temporal entities and non-temporal platonistic entities. I am not concerned with the specific nature of such realm crossing entities; I am only concerned that, on this scenario, where non-temporal platonistic entities interrelate times t1 and t2, realm crossing exemplification ties are connections between the non-temporal platonistic entities (the platonic universal, 10 seconds apart) and the temporal entities (times t1 and t2). Exemplification is an intermediary between entities, and is, roughly speaking, the opposite of unmediated attachment.[5] Let “unmediated attachment” express the concept of a non-relational attachment which temporal and non-temporal platonistic entities are involved in, and which does not involve a realm crossing tie. An unmediated attachment is not a relation between entities, and it does not involve non-relational ties, or any sort of entity that is between the attached entities. This is normally how exemplification is conceived to attach to a property and the particular that exemplifies the property. It is often introduced to avoid Bradley’s regress: t has R, where “has” denotes, not exemplification, but another relation (R2) interrelating t and R, but if this is the case, R2 must be related to t and to R, which requires there exist another relation (R3) between t and has, and another (R4)  between has and R, ad infinitum.[6]

 

 

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Realm crossing exemplification ties involve unmediated attachments between temporal and non-temporal platonistic entities, and may be conceived in two ways:

 

  1. If the realm crossing exemplification tie is partless (simple), and is either temporal or non-temporal, in order that the realm crossing tie be a connection between a temporally located and a temporally unlocated entity, the realm crossing tie, involves an unmediated attachment to both a temporal entity (t1 and t2) and a platonistic non-temporal entity (10 seconds apart)

 

  1. If the realm crossing exemplification tie is both temporal and non-temporal, it is composed of two or more parts,[7] where at least one part is temporally located (and involves an unmediated attachment to times t1 and t2), and where at least one part is non-temporal (and involves an unmediated attachment to the platonistic universal, 10 seconds apart). In order that the realm crossing tie give rise to a connection between temporally located and temporally unlocated entities, the temporal and non-temporal parts of the realm crossing exemplification tie must involve an unmediated attachment.

 

Since the realm crossing exemplification tie is a connection between the relation, 10 seconds apart, and times t1 and t2, points 1 and 2 above both suggest that the realm crossing exemplification tie involves an unmediated attachment between a temporal entity and a platonistic non-temporal entity. I do not know of any explanation of how, exactly, temporal and non-temporal entities can be involved in an unmediated attachment. An unmediated attachment between temporal and non-temporal entities appears problematic for the following reasons.

Such an unmediated attachment, would require either that the non-temporal entity "reach across" the realms in order to be at a temporal location and to thus involve an unmediated attachment to the temporally located entity, or vice versa. Since a temporally located entity cannot fail to be at a temporal location, a non-temporal entity then must indeed "reach across" to the temporal entity, in order to involve an unmediated attachment to the temporal entity. Since the temporal entity can only be at a temporal location, the non-temporal entity must become a temporal entity, and must somehow be at a temporal location, if it is to involve an unmediated attachment to the temporally located entity. Similarly, temporally located entities would have to "reach across" the realms in order to become temporally unlocated, if they are to involve an unmediated attachment to temporally unlocated entities. However, how this occurs is not only unexplained, it is also apparently self-contradictory: in order that such an unmediated attachment occur between a temporally located entity and a temporally unlocated entity, either a temporally located entity must not be temporally unlocated (not be at a temporal place), or a temporally unlocated entity must be temporally located (be at a temporal place). But by the definition of "non-temporal", what is non-temporal cannot be at a temporal place lest it be temporal; and by the definition of "temporal", what is temporal cannot fail to be at a place lest it be non-temporal. If the realm crossing intermediary is indeed an unbroken and uniform connection between 10 seconds apart and t1 and t2, the realm crossing relation apparently involves such contradictory features.

4. Conclusion

If my preceding arguments are sound, then it follows that there are no non-simultaneous relations, such as earlier than, or later than, but only cotemporal relations, such as temporally simultaneous with. If Schenk’s paper is a relationalist theory of time, and it happened to be that there were no non-simultaneous elations of earlier than, or later than, Schenk’s theory would be incorrect.[8]  

 

 

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Works Cited

Armstrong, D.M., 1997, A World of States of Affairs, Cambridge University Press: Cambridge.

Armstrong, D.M., 1989, Universals: An Opinionated Introduction, Westview Press: Boulder.

Chisholm, Roderick, 1996, A Realistic Theory of Categories : An Essay on Ontology, Cambridge University Press: Cambridge.

Grossman, Reinhardt, 1992, The Existence of the World, Routledge: New York.

Grupp, Jeffrey, 2003, “The Impossibility of an Exemplification Tie between Particulars and Universals”, Metaphysica, April, vol. 1, 2003.

Grupp, Jeffrey, Forthcoming (in press), “Problems with the Platonist Exemplification Tie between A Located Entities and an Unlocated Entity”, Dialogue: Canadian Philosophical Review, Vol. 43, No. 2, 2004.

Jubien, Michael, 1997, Contemporary Metaphysics, Blackwell: Malden

Loux, Michael, 1998, Metaphysics: A Contemporary Introduction, Routledge: New York.

Maddy, P., 1990, “Physicalistic Platonism”, in Irvine, A. D. (ed.), Physicalism in Mathematics, Kluwer: New York, pp. 259-289.

Markosian, Ned, 2000, “What Are Physical Objects?”, Philosophy and Phenomenological Research, Vol. LXI, No. 2. pp. 375-395.

Mellor, D. H., 1991, “Properties and Predicates”, in Matters of Metaphysics, 170-182, Cambridge University Press: Cambridge.

 

Mellor, D. H., 1992, “There Are No Conjunctive Universals”, Analysis, 52: 97-105.

 

Moreland, J. P., 2001, Universals, McGill-Queen’s University Press: Montreal and Kingston.

 

Smith, Quentin, 1993, Language and Time, Oxford University Press: New York.

Wolterstrorff, Nicholas, 1970, On Universals, The University of Chicago Press: Chicago.

 

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[1] In this paper, I do not consider any “chronon-like” (temporally extended, but somehow irreducible) temporally located relations with a fundamental durations, as they are apparently problematic, for the following reasons.

If the relation, 10 seconds apart, were temporally extended, and considered in terms of two or more non-simultaneous times, the relation, 10 seconds apart must in fact be composed of continuum many, temporally unextended, but temporal (temporally located) sub-relations. 10 seconds apart, then, would be a temporally extended complex relation composed of continuum many temporal, durationless sub-relations. If the fundamental constituents of the temporally located complex relation, 10 seconds apart, were not continuum many, temporally unextended, sub-relations, but were discrete constituents, then the fundamental constituents of the relation, 10 seconds apart, would instead be a finite number of temporally extended sub-relations. If coherent, these relations could be said to have a “fundamental duration”. If such temporally extended sub-relations were the fundamental constituents of the relation, 10 seconds apart, then the fundamentalness of these sub-relations means they are irreducible, lest they not be fundamental. These sub-relations of fundamental duration must also be simple (temporally partless), for if they had parts they would not be “fundamental durations”. But such temporally extended, irreducible sub-relations are apparently contradictory, for the following reasons. These temporally located sub-relations of “fundamental duration”, being relations of a non-zero temporal size, would occupy a duration in a time series. If the fundamental duration of a sub-relation (of the complex relation, 10 seconds apart) is of non-zero temporal size, it necessarily has two halves. Even though the “fundamental duration” may be imagined to have a temporally partless, irreducible duration, it however cannot, since its having a size necessarily requires it has halves, and having halves means this fundamental duration has at least two aspects, or parts, not occupying the same temporal place. If a temporal sub-relation of “fundamental duration” has two halves, necessarily, one half is temporally before the other in the time series. If one is temporally before the other, necessarily, one half is past (P), and the other future (~P, or F). For this reason, these sub-relations of “fundamental duration” would be describable in a contradictory way, since any sub-relation has contradictory properties, ~P ^ P. This argument could be given for any alleged irreducibly simple temporally extended, “fundamental duration”. Since such “fundamental durations” are apparently contradictory, the basic constituents of temporally extended, temporally located, complex relations, such as, 10 seconds apart, would be temporally unextended sub-relations, which means that if 10 seconds apart is a relation between times that is itself temporally located, then there are continuum many temporally located, but temporally unextended (durationless), sub-relations constituting a spatially located, complex relation 10 seconds apart.

 

 

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[2] Complex relations (or properties) are relations that have conjunctions of other relations as (simpler) parts.  Armstrong writes:

 

Consider conjunctions of universals. If there are complex universals at all, then conjunctions of universals should qualify… Given that F and G are distinct universals, then F&G can be a universal, provided always that a particular exists at some time which is both F and G… But, it may be objected, if there are complex properties, then they must be complexes of simple properties, or at least complexes of simple properties and relations. If it is also maintained…  that all universals are instantiated, then any complex property can then be replaced in each of these instantiations by a conjunction of states of affairs involving simple properties and relations. The alleged conjunctive property, or any other complex property, will supervene on these states of affairs. And then what need to recognize anything but the complex of states of affairs involving nothing but simple universals? (Armstrong, 1997, 31-32)

 

Some, such as David Mellor (Mellor, 1991, 1992) deny that there are any complex properties. This would not matter to my reasoning in this paper, since I am also going to argue that there are not any. I am considering that there are complex relations here for the sake of argument, and as a way of showing that temporally located, temporally extended, complex properties are problematic.

 

[3] This infinite regress that attempts to complete a task by an infinite sequence of steps, where the “completion” “at infinity” in fact never occurs, since an infinite set of items has no last item. Chisholm considers this sort of regress vicious; Moreland lucidly writes about Chisholm’s position: 

 

There are at least three forms of infinite regress arguments… [One form] involves claiming that a thesis generates a “vicious” infinite regress. How should “vicious” be characterized here?... Roderick Chisholm says that “One is confronted with a vicious infinite regress when one attempts a task of the following sort: Every step needed to begin the task requires a preliminary step”. [Chisholm, 1996, p. 53.] For example, if the only way to tie together any two things whatever is to connect them with a rope, then one would have to use two ropes to tie the two the two things to the initial connecting ropes, and use additional ropes to tie them to these subsequent ropes, and so on. According to Chisholm, this is a vicious infinite regress because the task cannot be accomplished. (Moreland, 2001, 24)

 

Wolterstorff, 1970, Chapter 4, disagrees, and maintains that the task can be completed.  

 

 

 

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[4] Considering relations as neither in space or time is the standard position on platonia. Jubien, a platonist, writes:

 

There are a number of different philosophical accounts of properties. Two very different kinds of account are of special interest to us here. According to one of these, properties are “abstract” entities—they exist apart form and independently of their instances. Plato is famous for his detailed version of this position, and this more modern versions are often called Platonism… A Platonist philosopher who holds that the concept of mass is simply the property of having mass therefore thinks that this concept is an abstract entity. It exists independently of any physical objects that happen to instantiate it, and also independently of any physical objects that happen to instantiate it, and also independently of anyone’s mind or mental activity. Although the instances of the concept of mass are of course physical the concept itself is not. It does not even occupy spacetime. (Jubien, 1997, 14-15) (Emphasis added)

 

Grossman, also a platonist, writes about the atemporality of platonistic entities:

 

I shall speak of abstract things (entities, existents) in general. An abstract thing is a thing which is neither temporal nor spatial. A concrete thing, on the other hand, is a thing which is temporal and/or spatial… [P]roperties, as we assumed in the last section, are abstract things; they are not spatio-temporal. It follows that they do not belong to the universe. They are not part of the universe. (Grossman, 1992, 7-8)

 

Another lucid comment is found in Maddy’ work:

 

Some platonistically-inclined observers [Maddy cites Resnik, 1985] have argued that [Hartry] Field’s spacetime points and regions are as abstract as numbers, and thus as susceptible to epistemological challenge. If numbers are understood traditionally, as causally inert, non-spatiotemporal, etc, I think this charge cannot be correct. Physicalistically speaking, “the main ground for suspicions about mathematical entities"...  is that they bear no physical relation to us at all, causal or otherwise. (Maddy, 1990, p. 296.) (Emphasis added.)

 

 

 

 

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[5] I borrow the phrase “realm crossing” from one of D. M. Armstrong’s passages where he discusses the platonistic exemplification (but where he calls it an instantiation relation) between non-spatiotemporal entities (platonic universals, one of which might be 10 seconds apart) and temporal entities (t1 and t2):

 

Once you have uninstantiated spatially unlocated] universals you need somewhere to put them, a “Platonic heaven,” as philosophers often say. They are not to be found in the ordinary world of space and time. And since it seems that any instantiated universal might have been uninstantiated… then if uninstantiated universals are in a Platonic heaven, it will be natural to place all universals in that heaven. The result is that we get two realms: the realm of universals and the realm of particulars, the latter being ordinary things in space and time… Instantiation then becomes a very big deal: a relation between universals and particulars that crosses realms. (Armstrong, 1989, 76.) (Emphasis added.)

 

Armstrong apparently means that the instantiation relation is a special, or non-ordinary, relation, between spatiotemporal and non-spatiotemporal entities. But Armstrong is probably incorrect in naming that platonistic instantiation a “relation”—whether special or not—since such predicating ties apparently cannot be relational for reasons discussed in endnote vi below. In a recent paper (Grupp, 2003) it is argued that such “realm crossing” ties (or special relations) are impossible.

 

 

[6]  The concept of unmediated attachments comes from responses to F.H. Bradley’s work on the paradox of the relations regress.  Loux very lucidly explains:

 

According to the [platonist], for a particular, a, to be F, it is required that both the particular, a, and the universal, F-ness, exist. But more is required; it is required, in addition, that a exemplify F-ness. As we have formulated the [platonist’s] theory, however, a’s exemplifying F-ness is a relational fact. It is a matter of a and F-ness entering into the relation of exemplification. But the realist insists that relations are themselves universals and that a pair of objects can bear a relation to each other only if they exemplify it by entering into it. The consequence, then, is that if we are to have the result that a is F, we need a new, higher-level form of exemplification (call it exermplification2) whose function it is to insure that a and F-ness enter into the exemplification relation. Unfortunately, exemplification2 is itself a further relation, so that we need a still higher-level form of exemplification (exemplification3) whose role it is to insure that a, F-ness, and exemplification are related by exemplifiaction2; and obviously there will be no end to the ascending levels of exemplification that are required here. So it appears… that the only way we will ever secure the desired result that a is F is by denying that exemplification is a notion to which the realist’s theory applies.

The argument just set out is a version of the famous argument developed by F.H. Bradley. Bradley’s argument sought to show that there can be no such things as relations… [Platonists] claim that while relations can bind objects together only by the mediating link of exemplification, exemplification links objects into relational facts without the mediation of any further links. It is, we are told, an unmediated linker; and this fact is taken to be a primitive categorial feature of the concept of exemplification. So, whereas we have so far spoken of exemplification as a relation tying particulars to universals and universals to each other, we more accurately reflect the realist thinking about the notion if we follow realists and speak of exemplification as a ‘tie’ or ‘nexus’ where the use of these terms has the force of binging out the nonrelational nature of the linkage this notion provides. (Loux, 1998, 38-40) (Underlining added.)

 

I have altered Loux’s passage to read as if he only discusses platonic realism, rather than metaphysical realism in general.

 

 

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[7] If a relation has parts, this means that the relation is a compound relation composed of simple relations, as I was considering above with the (compound) relation, 10 seconds apart.

 

 

[8] Arguments similar to those I have given in this paper about time could be given to argue the (apparently peculiar) position that there are no relations. Since F. H. Bradley, to my knowledge, there have been virtually no successful attempts to argue that relations do not exist. The arguments about apparent problems of temporal relations I present in this paper could be applied to any sort of relation (such as n-adic causal, temporal, spatial, or mental properties, or platonic, moderate nominalist, physicalist, or Aristotelian realist relations), and will appear in a forthcoming work (Grupp, 2003, 2004 forthcoming) which maintains there can be no n-adic properties involving platonistic mathematical objects, or plantagan possible worlds, or nonphysical mental properties (where “nonphysical” denotes something spatially unlocated, as Markosian argues, in [Markosian, 2000]), and so on, can exist.

 

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